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>> geraldo: ve and at large, even as rival networks kiss this selfish creep's ass and treat this trader, look what he it to us. idutting troops in peril as he provided aid and comfort to our nation's e nemies in afghanistan. fueled by the pastos diverse plan since cancedle to burn the holy book, look at the antiamerican protests that erupted for the second day in the war torn nation. one ang crowd shouting death to america as they set fire outside one of our bases as if our heros over there needed any
more problems. from earler in today her is the president. >> this is a day of remembrance. a day of reflection. and with god's grace, a day of unity and renewal. they may seek to spark conflict between different faiths but as americans we are not and never will be at war with islam. it was not a religion that attacked us that september day, it was al-qaeda. a sorry bandf men which perverts religion. an just as we condemn intolerance and extremism abroad, so will we stay true to hour traditions here at home s a diverse and tolerant nation. >> geraldo: while there is physical renewal, there was little unity around ground zero
today. we planned a celebratione tonight of the rise of the new world trade center to begin its noble climb into the new york skyline. progress symbolized by the columns of life that soar skyward marking the sacred spot where the original towers once today but a perfect storm of conflict andontroversy has ripped through the commemoration even as it divides our nation over the tough issue of the downtown mosque and the bigger concern in o society over the role of muslims in america. weng begin with dueling monstrations. >> those cranes are at ground zero and today on the 9th aiversary there are dueling protests over the proposed construction of an islamic
cultural center to the left of where the police cruiser is. they are not letting protesters from either side get even close ngto that thing. >> racism no! >> all the people that you see behind me here are rallyinopg n opposition to the construction of the proposed islamic cultural center. >> they are makin tg a statemet here and saying this is where we had our victory in the united states and we are saying no, you can't do that. e id> everybody has been well behaved although some did have to be removed. >> i have the right to freedom of reillinois governor rod freedom of religion and freedom of speech. >> these are people in favor of of building the islamic center. >> i'm happy thiss going on. this is what i was fighting for is the right to do this. >> many people turning out on both sides and it was impressive there were such rongumbers because in the
days running up to the anniversary there was discussion whether people should be protesting at all on this date. >> this is september 11th and a day to reflect back on the heros we lost and the sacrifices people made and we are going to the memorial service for the port authority officers who died. this is not the day to make political statements. >> on this the ninth anniversary of 9/11 emotions on both sides of the iss as strong as ever. back to you. >> geraldo: we understand 1500 counter demonstrators, 2,000 pro the mosque construction. fine report, thank you. let's go live to our dear colleague rick levanthal whose brave reporting as the towers collapsed helped propel fox news into the heart of the journalism. how different is this night. >> the night is lit by the two columns of beautif
light. i don't know if you can see the sparkles but a dramatic sight from jersey city in liberty otate park. a difficult day for many of us who were there that morning, that deray when the towers were hit and then the towers felt. certainly the most difficult day i ever had in my 23 years of reporting trying to stay focused and do my job surrounded by uncertainty. >> geraldo: you heard former new york governor george pa pay petacchi saying this is not the day for this kind of provokation. what do you think, rick? >> reporr: i think there are strong feelings on both sides of the issue and it is n goin away any time soon. in general terms if someone is was going to build something some where and 70% of the people across the country
didn't think it was a good idea that person might want to rethink the location of where they were putting that cultural center. i mean in general terms, w, it might notno be the best idea. but they have a rightt y believe to put it there and there are a lot of people that ve a right to protest them put it there. it is kind of sad thathis would dominate the news and take over what should be a memorial to the 3,000 people who died on't1. it shouldn't be about this other thing that is going on next door. >> geraldo: rick, i couldn't have said it better. you are absolutely right. i agree with you in endvery regard and it was a great act of courage on your part reporting nine years ago and it is an honor to have you as a colleague today and hopefully we will get past all the noise and on thesa 10th anniversary truly commemorate in a way that honors those who fell and their families rather than this ugly
disorder. but rick levinthal, thanks again, buddy, i appreciate it.e >> we have provocative guests including pamela geller who heads a group called stop islamizaton of america. and before we begin with them, though, someone far more mainstream. pakistan's ambsador to the united states and also a friend of mine of long standing. he is a ambassador hussein. honored to have you onboard especially on this important day. can you desibe what is the reaction in your country and in neighboring afghanistan to the noise of the koran burning in florida and these dueling demonstrations over the location of the mosque in downtown new york, mr. ambassador? >> geraldo, let me remind you that i wasn't ambassador at
that time but on 9/11 you and i spoke on the phone and your show which at it was on another network and i had told you that what we will have to see now over the next few years is ang long war in which the real target of the united states should be to deny terrorists more recruit and that is exactly where people like myself who are committed to bein friends of the unite states ensureing that the muslim world cooperates with the united states in the war against terror. that is our feeling today, too. i think that both sides need to understand that in this era of instant communication something that happens in gaicanesville, t inrida, can have an imp afghanistan and vice versa and so h my advice has always beene need to stop the polarization. it works bought it gets media attention and gets votes in some places and gets you some supporters but you know wt, at this point the world needs healing and i think the healing
from 9/11 has not yet been completed. pakistan is a victim of terrorism itself. we have had 5,000 deaths at the has of terroris. so we understand how it feels to be victims of terrorism and i think everybody needs to take a deep breath, not score points but try to figure o a way in which passions are not in flamed and america lives up to its reputation is as the city on the hill. and the muslim world also rises to the occasion and says we have to stop being seen as extremists.ed by so the -- >> geraldo: as arguably the secular leading from the mlim world in this country and i'm talking about you, would you personally feel that the way to lower the
temperature and compromise in an honorable way would be a small move a couple of blocks away from ground zero, granted that that would be an absolute congregation of the gentleman cultural center that they have a right to build exactly where they want to. uld you be in favor of them moving a couple of blocks to lower the temperature hand in hand with their christian and jewish and hindi and other american allies a little further away from ground zero? >> geraldo, i represent pakistan in the united states as an ambassador. to getidn fair for me the middle of what is eceptionly an internal american argument. ink sometimes making a point at the cost of human lives or in flang passions is not worth it. an islamic center in any part
of the united states would still celebrate muslim participation in american lifeo i think all those people taking a harder view of it have to understand that the muslims are here to stay in the united states. many of them are american done ves to islam. both sides need to understand this should not be aut scoring points and it shouldn't only be about asserting rights. sometimes we all have rights but we sometimes understand the rights need to be exercised in a man in which they do not cause greater harm. >> geraldo: i have to emphasize this and i don't put you in the corner but sounded to me that pakistan's ambassador toit the united states just said that you would be in favor of compromise which included a slight move of that mosque from the ground zero area. did i hear you correctly, mr t. ambassador? >> geraldo, i think you are a smart man and you can hear
whatever i say. you more or less accurately. bigger look at the challenge. al-qaeda is still alive not as strong as it used to be at the time of 9 h/11. ey hanave a presence in afghanistan. they have a presence in the borderlands of pakistan. we need to fight them and defeat them and we do not need other arguements to overshadow the real purpose which is to defeat al-qaeda. >> geraldo: that is why that man is a friend of mine. >> doming up, geller ver
>> presidentnc obama observed a moment of silence here at the white house at 8:46 a. to mark the time american airlines flight 11 hit the north tower of the world trade center. d then 51 minutes later he placed a wreath at the pentagom marking the time and place where the crash of american flight 77 claimed 184 lives. nine years after 9/11, mr. obama said the highest honor we can pay those we lost
is also our greatest weapon in the ongoing war against al-qaeda. in shanksville, pennesylvania where brave passengers kept ited flight from reaching the capitol for the white house, first lady michelle obama said being a hero isn't just a mter of faith, it is a choice. and former first lady laura bush said we saw that day the worst of our enemy and the best of our nation. neither the president nor either of the first ladies mentioned the controversy over plans to build a mosque a f blocks from ground zero but mr. obama said just a few steps from the crash site at the pentagon is a multidenominational chapel where people are all faiths can pray. geraldo. >> geraldo: wendell, thank you very much. because more moderate voices are being drowned out by folks he fringes of the mosque ulebate like that pastor in florida we thought you should hear from the drivers of the most extreme aspects of the
controversy. i' sure you remember malik shabazz who heads up the small but aggressive black panther party. and then the group stop islamization of america. >> the mega mosque is part of it. >> geraldo: first of all, answer my question about. >> there is islaiczation of america. >> geraldo: what do you define? >> the u.s. treasury giving seminars in shariy leah and muslim prayer times on union contracts and nonunion worker. >> geraldo: how about hindije r jewish prayer time. >> they are not imposing it in the secular marketplace. b>> geraldo: do you think islm is being treated differently than other religions? >> yes. >> i'm sure they would argue that point. mpose mores how they i of islam. >> geraldo: but you think there is a plan to make our couslntry an islam countotry?
>> it not a sneaky plan. it is encroaching islamic supreme assists. >> geraldo: who is we? how many people in your group? >> we have i guess 18,0 members on facebook. >> geraldo: 18 members of stop islamization of america. >> only the separation of mosque and statelike church and state. i mean aoman -- >> geraldo: let me get the other guest. segments toral seths to make make your point. we didn't come to fight either of youy. the last time we were together you mocked the 9/11 attacks and video i showed you that you didn't know was going to be seen. shortly after 9/11 you were in members of the new black panther party mocking the attacks and seeming to support them. do you still feel that way? >> that is not true. i have friends who have family that passed in that building. >> geraldo: could you say that one more time, malik? i missed it. >> i have friends who have
family who passed in the twin towe. what i'm also saying is this is a point where we can get more mature beyond emotionalism and halso feel the pain of the 150,000 innocent muslims that have directly or indirectly died aaesult of the wars in iraq and afghanistan. america is not becoming islamic supreme aist sifts ma'am, america as time magazine pointed out is islam ma phobic and i fear that muslims will be on the road to concentration cas if we don't put a stop to the bigotry. >> geraldo: concentration camps is as crazy as islamization of america. >> geraldo: i don't. >> you are headed that way. >> i don't know about that and i doubt it seriously. >> donald trump's offer to buy the mosque is probed by us.
this was a morning of tributes and tears. the somber commemoration of 9/11 here at ground zero was an intensely personal and emotional one. family members honored those who died by reading the names ofle the 2,752 people killed he by al-qaeda. they held signs with photographs of loved ones and carried american flags. they gently placed roses and fl oowers loving memoros of those lost in the reflecting pool. vice president joe biden did the same along with other
officials anread a poem.ec while there was no direct mention of the controversy oh vet propose islamic center two e familyaway, s members alluded to the legacy of 9/11 and new york city mor michael bloomberg and several aythers recal recalled the deep meaning of this poignant day. >> those we lost live on in our memory. >> let me just say one thing. let today never ever be a national who wil holiday, let e a celebration. it is a day to be somber and a day to reflect on all those thousands of people that died for us in the united states. thank your. >> my father jose manuel cardone there isn't a day that goes by thate don't miss you and we love you. >> a mixture of quiet sorrow and defiant anger. the gathering not onlye
representing what we have lost but also the threat of islamic radical terrorism still exists. geraldo. >> geraldo: thank you very much. pa malik shabazz my gsts. do you, you know, we are nott reporting on another incident that happened at the white house involving theor k because i think we would just be in citing more violence. i got a note from a commander infghanistan talking about another demonstration that weeo have not yet shown and he says it is amazing what some folks will do even after they know it could have far reaching and damaging consequences to the troops in afghanistan. do you support the acts of decration of the koran? >> no, i don't support that. the anecdote t bad speech is not censorship and book burning.
cuion. dss >> geraldo: do you con temperature them? >> i do. but iis protested speech and i wouldn't want to warn the jihaddists threatening violent jihad. it needs to be stated it was not dueling radallies. we had 30,000 peopl at our rally. >> geraldoaccording to the cops you had 1500. >> you will see the piicture. i welcome spacial scientists. 9/11 was chosen because daisy chan said she was going to the new york on mosque on 9/11. it is not a conspiracy theory. >> geraldo: malik, do you condemn the -- let me put it this way.is the ambassador to pakistan said he would be in favor of moving the mosque a couple of blocks. do you similarly agree to a omise toble compr diffuse the issue while
>> geraldo: this is a fox news alert. we will be back to the mosque debate in a moment. now, tortion san bruno, rnia as the body count climbs from the devastating gas explosion. the devastated city overlookin san francisco bay has investigators now probing persistent and deeply troubling reports from survivors ofhe thursday's blast that the utility company responsible for the ruptured pipeline, pacific gas and electric ignore the frequents complaints that gas was smelled in the area. that has the company this is long before the explosion obviously but as the company promises aal l fair investigation california authorities are not waiting. listen. >> i want to assure the people
of san bruno and the people of california that we are moving quickly to find the cause. it is very, very important to all of us. >> we have eight investigators on the scene currently. they are going to rule out everything and trying to find the source of the ignition. >> geraldo: source of the for the current toll from the ignition. cowen explosion claudia live at the scene. we had various reports. you there are, what do we know? >> we know several people still unaccounted for. late today we got word that investigators had located the remains of two more people down in the fire zone which brings the official deatholl to six, geldo. late today, 700 people packed into a town hall meeting at a local church to try to get answers and assurances from city officials. it was by and large a civil rised meeting but some people
are still not getting the ha assurances they want that thr ne ighborhood isafe. the gas pipe that exploded was ranked high risk because it ran through a densely populated area. a number of residents learnede they will be able to return to their homes tomorrow but what a different kind of neighborhood it is now. we got a first-hand look ade devastation site and it is hard to believe just a few days ago there were homes and streets and people who built their lives there. rubble is everywhere. some homes are gone complety. windows are blown out. melted cars sit in ddriveways and a huge crater in the middle of it all caused b the rupture of this 40-foot length of charred pipeline. the blast sent it flying about a hundred yards and it will be the key piece of evidence in the criminal investigation. a closer look shows a nearly clean rip on what investigators say is a seam weld. that could indicate a failure in the metal sleeve that holds large pieces of pipeline
together. many residents say they had no idea a high pssure gas line was running underneath the homes. this pipeline was laid in 1956 years before the homes were built. how and when the pipeline was k maintained will be a key part of the investigation. seeing the devastation first hd, senator barbara boxer called it a heartbreaker and expressed her gratitude to the first responders.o president obama also giving governor arnold schwarzenegger assurances that federal assistance would be available to help recover from the disaster. meantime, authorities continue to search for more victims. severa people remain unaccounted for and that could mean the official death toll which stands at six couldo, ri. geraldo, as you mentioned, a number of residents had complained to the local power company pacific gas and eltric that th smelled gas in the area in the days and even weeks prior to the blast. now, investigators with the national transportation safety board want to talk to those people and follow up to see ifl
weree complaints a satisfactory addressed. back to you, geraldo. >> geraldo: those people, have some of them have lost absolutely everything. i saw them at the meeting. they applauded the facldthat they would have accs to the homes but what utter devastation, just ripping dearthing that they held deer to them from their clutches. just remarkable to me. >> and you know, when you see the pictures and hear the stories of the situation out here tonight, many people fled from their homes that were on fire. really ran out of their homes with only the clothes they we l wearing and they lost everything. that is w they are now getting assurances that they will waive fees to replace documents like birth certificates and licenses. most of the people were applauding at that meeting today but some were not satisfy and they want pg&e to come clean and show maps of where
the ower lines are. pg&e says they won't do it out of safety precautions. kimberly guilfoyle former precutor and my colleague. it seems to me criminal liability. first of all, 1956, high pressure gas line. but these people have lost everythingside from the wrongful death actions all the people injured. 60 odd people. people still missing. they lost everything. i just add up the liabilities against assuming it is pg&e, enormous, billions. >> that is why the president of pacific gas and electric company chris johns is on notice and they are doing an investigation but they will also be investigated by the state to see if in any way they were negligent or grossly negligent. if their failure to act and heed the warnings and complaints by the people that lived in the area if they were nored, they were not heeded and therefore this tragedy could have been prevented.
of are looking at millions of dollars in compensation and the otional loss of devasivtation of having your lives destred. >> geraldo: a mini bp. not so mini. >> sounds like they have the complaints ahead of time and if they didn't do anything about ithat is significant.go >> geraldo: go to jail, do not pass go. viewers of the program now back to the me debate had a three week jump with the discussion on the possibility that the developers of the mosque project were showing signs of flexibility and for a price they might be willing to sell. what price? about $20 million or five times the -- sorry, that is four times the $5 million they paid. five tes four, $20 million. they paid $5 million for the old coat factory at 51 park place and they want $20 million. to test the feasibility of the irst ones we were the
to get donald trump to weigh in. here is the donald? >> what would you pay for it? >> well, i certainly wouldn't pay 20. >> geraldo: you would pay north of five? i would have to look at the billing, geraldo. ea think if he could sell for a bit of a profit, i mean he is asking four times what he paid. give me a break. if he could sell for a little bit of a profit and make lots of friends in doing it, go to another location where you'te wouldn't have the think it woulden make so my f riends it would be a great thing. he would turn this into a real positive. >> geraldo: noelle you agree with the donald, don't you? >> absolutely, you know i d: o. >> geraldo: and so you think you heard the pakistani ambassador i hope. it sounds like and we have heard as i have reported from the other side -- not the other side from the developers that for a price.el it seems to me the beginnings
of a compromise might we emerging. i'm prang anyway. and then we will go to malik. >> i think it is absolutely that they would put a price tag like that and make a profit off not even being compassionate. first of all, you have to ask yourself, is the mosqueiso generally is it going to be an asset to the community? an, it is not going to be asset to the community andr the other thing is what construction worker if they don'tanage to sell this, what construction worker is actually going want to work on the project? who are are they going to find? no new yorkers that i know. >> geraldo: go ahead. >> first of all, the imam has of that mosque and islamic learning center has been working in that community for years. wouldn't it also be sensitive to movem every church from evey location where so-called christians massacred millions of indians in new york in the
trail of tears and to move churches from. >> geraldo: native americans. >> i'm talking about native americans or indians. move churches off the land where they were massacred. move the churches off the where the blacks in jamestown or rosewood or tulsa oklahoma were burned out because they said they were sensitive. >> i'm talking about being compassionate. i'm talking about being compassionate. >> be comsste/1iona. >> look at 9/11. look at the people that lost moved ones. we all sufferedll around the united states of america eher economically. >> geraldo: malik, i think you rained history f your analogy there >> geraldo: pamela geller, isn't this the time to be kind and reach out and say let'sth t
wogether and find a solution that helps everything that we love the practice of organized religion in the country and founded on faithful people, can't we do that and work together? >> we cano that. i don't think the imam who is radical. >> how can you do that when you have a group called stop the islamization. >> why do you see that as ng divisive. it is happening. >> it is bizarre that you say that. >> have you been to europe or the middle east. it was once a christian continent. >> man muslims were born in this country. >> the 15 story mega glove a community center they say. >> a mosque is a community center. it is a 15 story middle finger to the american peopl e, that is my point. >> geraldo: you made your point.
>> i got n it. >> no one is -- >> i think it is time to learn. doesour guest know this should be, listen, this should be a learning experience. does your guest know, let me make a point, let me make a point. let me make a point. >>eraldo: make your point. >> does your guest now that presidents george, washington, and thomas jefferson were shriners who studied t koran and islam and i that islam is deeply rooted. [ overla thig speakers ] >> this should be an opportunity, this is an opportunity to learn. to>> geraldo: stop. >> a chance to learn. >> look, you guys. let's break it down really simple. no one is against building a mosque. we don't want it on ground zero. that is all we are asking. >> where you don't have to deal with it. >> move it a couple of blocks and we will all sing kumbaya
every memr of battalion nine was killed that day. honor, courage. remembering the three words is what this morning is all about. >> geraldo: along with 23 cop, a total of 343 firefighters and paramedics, 343 of them died on 9/11 including as the battalion chief said there every single onduty member of battalionine located just a couple of bcks from here ith e heart of the theater district. friendsay, families and of those who perished gathered together to honor 15 of the heros from that house. in an extraordinary way it was a monumental group portrait of the fallen. take it look as it as it is unveiled. let's go. and here it is. it live.get a shot of
het is right there. take a shot live here in the studio. there it is. joining me now aspiring new york firefighters matt and hisk brother karl. s their dad karl senior died that day nine years ago and he is one of the 15 portrayed in the wonderful painting. which one is your dad? >> bottom right. >> bottom right. >> geraldo: can you get a shot of that. pan in. that is your dad? how long had he been in. >> 14 years. >> geraldo: did you aspire to be firefighters prior to the 9/11. >> yes. >> didou always want to grow up to be firefighters. >> always as kids. >> geraldo: how much did he love his job? >> he used to take us there when we were kids and stuff like that. for the picnics and christmas events. >> geraldo: how did you find out that he perished that day? >> a loud discussion between the adults in the t house. i was 12 a the time and i think i heard a fireman calling
my mom and tell her. i don't remember if sheried to hide it to us or ease it to us. >> geraldo: what is that metal there?at >> my fher's badge. 7963. >> geraldo: when do you think you will be activ duty? t to take theai test coming up in january. >> geraldo: how old are you now?>> >> i'm 21. >> i'm 2 an 22 and i took the t already and i'm waiting to hear back. >> geraldo: the founder of a group called hero portraits. nice to see you. these are eerily life like the paintings. some in the foreground also. the artists are terrific. how many have you done the portraits of? >> today we are up to 20 firefighters which we started four months ago. >> and how many gis? >> up to probably 200 plus and the asks come in daily. >> geraldo: how did you get the
zacarias moussaoui we had a number of items used in the trial. we have pictures of most of the people killd that day. artwork that w found at the scene of 9/11. many of them hand drawn pictures by children and so it is a very sobering way to start t the and a reminder t threat still exists. >> the first thing i see when i walk through the door is the f memorial, the first thing it makes us think about it the need to be vigilhaant. public hasthat the placed in the tsa to secure the skies. the girr from the 77th floor of the tower. finally there is a piece of the united airlines plane that crashed near shanksville. >> what i see when i see this memorial which is a piece from the world trade center from the pentagon and a flag that was recovered in the world trade center site is this iser why we're here. this i why we are at the national counter terrorism center is to stop something uike this happening every day.
a way of bringing us back to the real consequences of violent islamic extremithsm in the world and that flag is torn and tattered with you still there. we have to remember the people who died under rubble like ndhat. >> geraldo: died under rubble like that and looking at one way hey areeing honored here. how many is that again, 12, 13, 14, 15f the 33 firefighters from ba a battalion nine. their pictures painted by supe artists thanks to darryl lynn, founder of hero portraits. how are the portraits funded? funmy wife and i fund them completely. we funded the entire project. >> geraldo: how nice of you. >> we started this a year and a half ago and we wanted to give back and we have been searching how to give back and this is the way to do it. >>o beautiful.
what a way to honor all of them together. >> that is phase two of the project. right now the project is the website and we photograph everd portrait and transfer it on to a tile and looking for the right location whether it is new york or d.c. for a wall of heros which will be the photographs of the portraits. >> geraldo: a great idea. 30 seconds of our own recollection. >> their memory and spirits live on with all of us and youh see there with matt and kl the sons of an american hero and it is wonderful to remember the positive things the impact and what your father did and the rest of his battalioniv giving back and giving his lifs to save other people is truly incredible. >>eraldo: and the way you will honor your dad is with your own courage when you wear the unifo of new york's bravest. i'm sure you will with great honor. delighted to have your both. give your regards to your mom and the rest of the family. and whenyou see the guys in the firehouse in the theater